When the Dail returns from Halloween jollities, we’ll no doubt see the opposition take Enda to task about being a disgrace to the country by making up stories in front of a European and world audience at a European event about the army being required to keep the mobs of Irish plebs away from ATMs.
Why oh why will they not take him to task about ---> Misleading The Dail <--- ?
“Misleading the Dail” is chamber-approved-speak for lying to theDail.
It’s a very serious matter to mislead the Dail. A cynic might say that it’s almost as serious as using the word “liar”, but it is still a serious matter that cuts to the heart of democracy – particularly when the leader of the government does it.
Enda Kenny has misled the Dail with the same story in a number of sittings. Here is just one example.
At 4:45 in this 11 minute recording of a Dail session
https://youtu.be/4Y9xjYl4FWA?t=286
Enda Kenny:
“The government have been very clear about this, Deputy Martin, the charge here is €3 per week or €1.15 per week – and that’s a very modest and fair contribution”Someone queries, so he repeats
“€3 and €1.15”(By way of explanation, the higher figure refers to a household of 2 or more adults plus any under-18s. The lower figure refers to a household of 1 adult plus any under-18s.)
For whatever reason, nobody points out the problem:
€3 and €1.15 per week work out as €160 and €60 per year (Let’s not quibble about the effect of dividing by 52, rounding the result to something pretty and then multiplying by 52)
The actual annual charges are €260 and €160 per year. That’s €5 and €3.08 per week.
The charges the Enda asserts to the Dail are €100 per year less than the actual charges.
To be absolutely clear, the capped annual water charges are €260 or €160. Those are the charges that will be on the face of the bills.
Short version of the below:
Enda should be obliged to state explicitly that the “Water Conservation Grant” is not in fact a grant for household water conservation measures. It was created as an attempted fraud on Eurostat by inflating Irish Water billing by €100 per household over what the household would actually pay.
I have not noticed any politician or journalist ask him to address this point.
Anyway…. The longer version:
At 7:13 in the video, Michael Martin asks his question again. Why does a person get a €100 conservation grant even if that person does not pay their water bill? “It’s a very simple question Taoiseach. A very simple question”, he adds.
It’s actually a very stupid question
One has to be po-faced and take the Water Conservation Grant at face value. Once one takes that approach, things become very clear and the whole scam is exposed.
The grant is a Water Conservation Grant. If it were a Pay Water Bills Grant, the question would be appropriate.
Spending money on household water conservation is a worthy measure. Michael Martin is totally mistaken in trying to link bill payment to the grant. These are two completely separate matters.
At 9:05 in the video, Enda answers:
“Well of course, you fail to recognise that the €100 is not just an incentive for people to contribute here but is a Conservation Grant. But of course your whole philosophy has nothing to do with conservation….”The video ends with Enda making a clear statement on what the charges are, and what the Conservation Grant is.
11:00: “And I remind you again, that the charges are €1.15 per week and €3 per week – and the €100 you refer to is a Conservation Grant - is a Conservation Grant to people who register online, and as a consequence they can get that Conservation Grant.”
So:
Three times just in that one debate he misleads the Dail (aka lies to the Dail).
He understated the charges by €100.
Is that the Water Conservation Grant being netted against teh actual charges?
It can’t be, because as he states above, that’s a Water Conservation Grant.
A household can get it by registering. There is no requirement to pay Irish Water bills before getting the grant.
Incidentaly, there is no requirement to prove expenditure on water conservation measures – which is very, very odd – unprecedented even.
So. It must be just a coincidence that he understates (lies) the charges by an amount that happens to be the same as the value of the Water Conservation Grant.
Enda did say “that the €100 is not just an incentive for people to contribute here but is a Conservation Grant.”
Some might think that “an incentive for people to contribute” implies that the “contribution” in question is in paying it to Irish Water. That thought would be totally mistaken of course.
Getting a grant for Water Conservation and giving it to Irish Water is not “contributing”. If that’s what he meant by “contributing” then the government could cut a whole lot of overhead expense (about €6 million in 2015 - plus €100 per houshold that didn't pay) by simply giving €100 per household diectly to Irish Water.
“Contributing” is contributing to the national effort to conserve water by spending the Water Conservation grant on water conservation measures in the household.
“incentive for people to contribute here” can only mean claiming the grant to pay part of the cost of buying water butts - installing flow restricters on taps or replacing them - fixing faulty washers in taps and ballvallves - etc.
Enda’s “Incentive for people to contribute here” can only mean incentivising people to take those measures by giving them €100 per year per household to reduce the cost. That’s how grants work.
If fact, any person who gets the grant and does not spend it on household water conservation lacks integrity and is being dishonest. It’s a shame that the government does not require proof of expenditure – as is the case for other grants. I suppose that they simply forget about that in the rush.
To reconfirm the nature of the grant and that registration with Irish Water is purely a technical measure to confirm a status of "household" for a claimant for the Water Conservation Grant:
Check out the FAQs of the Department of Social Protection Water Grant website
In part:
6. Why did the Government introduce this grant?See?
As part of its overall water conservation and resource management plans, the Government is introducing a Water Conservation Grant to encourage households to take steps to conserve water and take a more environmentally friendly approach to water usage.
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8. Why didn’t the Water Conservation Grant get deducted from Irish Water’s bills?
The grant is separate to the introduction of domestic water charges. In the interests of equity towards all households, the grant is a national scheme, payable to all principal primary residences that were registered with Irish Water by 30 June 2015, regardless of whether or not they are Irish Water customers. It forms part of the Government’s wider efforts to promote water conservation and efficient water resource management.
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18. What if a household registers with Irish Water after 30 June 2015? Households that register with Irish Water after 30 June 2015 (either late registrants or registrants for newly built houses) will not be eligible for the 2015 Water Conservation Grant. However, to be eligible for the 2016 Water Conservation Grant and subsequent years, households that use Irish Water services must register with Irish Water. Non-customers (i.e. households that do not use Irish Water services) should wait for details of the 2016 grant, which will be announced in due course.
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Even if you become a new household (no opportunity to register) - or register a pre-existing one - after the registration deadline
- and get your bills
- and pay them in full...
..........................................you don't get the grant
- Be in a house since the 1916 Rising. Register by 30 June 2015 - Get full €100 grant for 2015
- Move into a house on 30 June 2015 and immediately register - Get full €100 grant for 2015
- Move into a house on 1 July 2015 and immediately register - Get no grant
See?
It's got nothing whatsoever to do with paying Irish water bills.
It's a grant to be used for water conservation measures,
The registration with Irish water by a deadline is simply DSP's bureaucratic convenience in administering the grant. Using Irish Water's database of registrations is another convenience.
SO:
- The charges absolutely are €5 and €3.07 per week.
- The Taoiseach is clearly misleading the Dail when he asserts that they are “€3 and €1.15 per week"
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Bottom Line:
- The grant is a Water Conservation Grant. It is not a Pay Water Bills Grant
- Enda Kenny misleads (lies to) the Dáil when he repeatedly asserts that charge “is €3 per week and €1.15 per week”. The charges are in fact €5 and €3.07 per week.